Discussiopn DEB, ETP -TMrezza, SIK, KT, SIS

• Kapak Tajam Boss:.. esok kita belasah Najib pasal tak tolong Melayu amacam?
• Tun Maharezza II justify 1 st..that topic...  i advised u....do not smply do it...we dont many leadrs like him for umno....mohidin not fit..zahid not fit....hisham lambat la... Kapak Tajam:
•  Naper la turut sangat cina cina tu?..... naper la nak lepas bab bangsa kat cina cina tu? I malaysia tu samarata tu bosss....... Suara Iban Semenanjung:
•  nak tolong ape lagi kat melayu pun... dah cukup power.. Iban kena tolong lagi sket.. sbb kurang power... mulakan dgn tolong aku haahahah Singh Is Kinng :
• Dari buat isu Najib tak tolong Melayu ... baik buat isu kenapa Najib masih tak tendang si menantu ...
• Kapak Tajam:
•  Kalau Pak Lah kita tegur, bila kita tegur bukan benci tapi kita tegur pemimpin.... PAS tak kan buat punyerrrr..... Tun Maharezza II:
•  kt..time will come..that we tegur p[oltik umno..bear with me...trust me on this..i knew when the best time ot do it... Kapak Tajam :
• Kita sayang UMNO boss tapi kalau kita terlampau buka jalan utk pendatang abis kiter boss..... PAS bukan kira semua tu..... depa taksub ngan pemimpin tapi kita sayang pemimpin. Singh Is Kinng:
•  Kapak ... kita sayang UMNO ... tapi barisan kepimpinan tak sayang parti ... depa hanya sayang periuk nasi ... HI HI HI Tun Maharezza II :
• who..? other than najib ? u tell me...thats the best umno have now..y nak rosakan..n he is not that bad as compared to others...answer me kt... Suara Iban Semenanjung:
•  aku nak tegur najib 1 je... abaikan je kelantan jgn bazir duit nak amik... biarkan je.. bagi kat org iban lagi bagus depa tau hargai BN... Kapak Tajam:
•  Kiter berani tegur dan hukum pemimpin!!!!!... Lenggeng is one of the example...... Selinsing and Mat sabu telepas. 12 hours ago · LikeUnlike Tun Maharezza II :
• umno need a leader..sum one gotta be umno elader.n supported by the dragon tun m... Tun Maharezza II who else we have ? Singh Is Kinng:
•  Agreed Boss ... Najib mewarisi barisan kepimpinan dan cabinet Pak Lah yg bersifat half past six ... Kapak Tajam:
•  Boss.... you ask la boss, who really understand what is Najib's vision that NKRP thing tapi Wawasan 2020 semua level of masyarakat faham...... kita bukan condemn dia tapi sekadar tegur..... Suara Iban Semenanjung:
•  aku sokong najib 900%.. bagi masa je kat dia.. aku nak belajar matematik pun sampai skang xabis2 lagi.. ni kan blajar tadbir negara.. yg penting kita bagi full support .. yg xelok kita tegur blkg2. jgn kasi chance org chauvinist nampak peluang depa nak jatuhkan najib.. setuju???ya ya aku setuju tegur tp melalui saluran tertutup.. mcm org nak masuk kelambu pengantin.. bisik2 je hahahah 1 je aku rasa patut tegur depan2... jgn pedulikan PAS kat kelantan.. xusah amik.. buang masa dan dana... biar mereka susah kena ngan PAS kang pandai2 la dia masuk UMNO... x abis2 nak rasa istimewa dri org lain depa ni... Kapak Tajam:
•  You look at the Bible issue, didnt we give in a lot and masih tak cukup.... Malaysian Malaysia & 1 Malaysia, tak jauh beza nya.... and why scrap DEB boss????.... it was and is doing justice to Melayu..... Tun Maharezza II:
•  to be frank my bro kt.....they r no ayat quran sayas bible cant be print in bm..n they sarawakian already use it ages ago..we gotta be realistik on this bro....asal agama islam x larang..no one can say no babe... Kapak Tajam :
• Middle class Melayu was growing big.... i cannot understand why we stop DEB.... isnt that good for Melayu?  Compare our birth rate growth against other races we will do well in DEB..... kita punya birth rate is 1.8-2.0...... way better than cina ah beng!!!!! Tun Maharezza II:
•  abt 1 malaysia..its time wel lived withouttracial barrier..as we did be 4 peacefully...but when the pr plays the racial sentiment..the govt need to show our 1 malaysia konsep..y we gainst it ? it bring no damagae...the 1 malaysia doesnt bring any damage to us ...thats what i see... Suara Iban Semenanjung:
•  bro KT aku ni dulu siap baca bible dlm bahasa melayu.. kalo ko nak tgk ada lagi kat umah aku di sarawak.. dulu aku ikut gak kristian sebelum memeluk Islam.. xde pun org amik cakap nak bakar.. ni betul ni bkn auta Tun Maharezza II :
• n thedeb...deb is a plan like buku hijau..n its not sated in the perlembgaan negera...its a poltical policy n its a poltical program..which can be terminated n replace with new ones...n deb was scarap yes..but it was eplace in new economic smodel.. Kapak Tajam:
•  Iban, saya pun dah khatam bible.... dah brader and saya buat missionary work 3 tahun kat Sabah.... that is why i say they are just asking more and more...... banyak la jugak dah convertkan. Tun Maharezza II iban ckp benar tu beb... Singh Is Kinng:
•  Honest ... I don't agree with 1 Malaysia ... after the irreversible damage ... no slogan is needed ... only effort by the gomen to change for betterment Kapak Tajam:
•  TM.... that new economic model, rakyat masih tercari cari apa matlamat dia... on the ground tak faham and i am sad that ramai yg lost confidence pasal tak faham...... Tun Maharezza II:
•  the deb issue is merely poltiks....actually the sharing of the deb fails..not the system deb itself...the system is good..but its ws spoiled at the sharing area..semua ketua pmeuda bolot..kronism..cant help it..any administration would have this problem. Kapak Tajam:
•  kalau dia tak faham dia tak akan faham apa role dia.... unlike wawasan we know what to achieve....... very clear. Suara Iban Semenanjung:
•  kita kena mulakan dgn menarik belia2.. iaitu org2 muda mendaftar mengundi... mulakan tugas kita.. aku dah buat.. tapi aku nak daftar dorg ni kat mane aku blum pasti... Kapak Tajam:
•  Boss... we are DEB product and many more are DEB product.... we are doing okay what and ramai anak melayu excelled under DEB. Tun Maharezza II midlle clas melayu..very much less contribute to our poltics..they even not interested with berpersatuan..which is a powerful tool for pr....blame the midle class melayu... Tun Maharezza II:
•  i presented a paper be 4....'' 1 of thereason bn lost pru 12 2008 ...is due to.,.bn ignoranve towrads the midlle class ppl''.All for rakayat bwahan n nuthing for middle class ppl....  but actually there r..cth..gst....n freetax for shopping item...perumfe dress etc..wtch etc..public tool like handfon etc.. Kapak Tajam:
•  MRSM is DEB product, Uitm is DEB product..... berapa ribu anak Melayu dah graduate... i am only saying why must we scrapped DEB just becos bangsa lain melalak.......  Boss... the middle class people are growing.... look at property sector..... we do manage to capture compare to dulu.... Suara Iban Semenanjung:
•  aku xreti jawab bro KT.. tapi bagi aku la kita tunaikan tanggungjawab dah la... jgn sampai anak2 muda kita dipengaruhi fahaman chauvinist... Tun Maharezza I:
• I the deb were scrap because of introduction of new economic policy..global standard....we must follow the follow..n at the same time..the deb privilage still we kept unseen.....in many area actually..u just dont realise..actually the deb still veri muc alive bro..its just..the cronism issue..shadows it... Kapak Tajam:
•  and the middle class are filling up some part of market centre area jugak..... dulu melayu kat kampung saja.... la ni they are already everywhere...... Tun Maharezza II:
•  no point the middle classs pll growing..ut less contribution to poltiks n society....the chinese is strong because they r in da persatuan..rakyat....they invlved in poltiks...n they contribute to their poltiks..but oour middle class ppl..does not !! Kapak Tajam :
• You see boss..... when we say middle class we refer to area, tangga gaji and life style..... look at malay now...... doing so much better than dulu...... Tun Maharezza II:
•  i m not deb product ! i m chinese school produk !  i gain nuthing from deb.n i understand..deb isnt for every melayu..onnly those who deserved..it..n as for me..if u want it..fight for it..nuthin come easy..just like the ads bis.. Suara Iban Semenanjung :
• racist la chinese ni.. ada plak dia skolah sendiri.. iban xde pun Kapak Tajam:
•  Boss... the chinese rule by economy thumb...... malay enterpreneur were growing although ada sedikit kelemahan but at least malay now are more competitive.... this are malay from DEB product!!!!!!  Boss... you were brought up in DEB system.... make no mistake about it. Our semangat melayu nak berjaya was build on the platform of DEB...... we learn to compete under the priciple of DEB.... thats what we are all about. Tun Maharezza :
•  kjt..i never deny that... we mlys were not made to be traders n master for economics..i live with that fact...  y bother what the chinese do n achived ? they do bribes etc that our malay muslim cant do n dont wanna do... Kapak Tajam:
•  i love my bangsa boss but my bangsa need to learn the hard way in their own field not in 1 Malaysia playing field..... mati kita, our children for goodness sake.... kita dah lepas insyaallah. Tun Maharezza II:
•  n remeber..the mlys can be far more better...if mlys was equp with what the were....we mlys...hadicap 1 riht leg n 1 left handle...n we r fighting the chinese warrior....thats our situation... Kapak Tajam:
•  Boss... its the spirit to compete that we must build and DEB did that..... ramai malay are competitive... just look at SIK, you, me and many more are just as good if not better than the cina ah beng. Tun Maharezza II :
• agreed kt... Kapak Tajam:
•  Tun... kita bukan marah pemimpin cuma sekadar menegur.... kalau baik untuk kita maka ia akan baik untuk bangsa kerana darah melayu kita lebih pekat dari yg orang sangka...... Tun Maharezza II:

• najib inherted umno from icu....lots of wounds..najib gave a good care of it..rawat dia...nurture dia..reapri all wounds slowly....repair all damage slowly n nicely...then najib..took umno for walk..slowly..fisio theraphy...najib still cant... take umno for a jog yet..umno isnt in that fit condition to do so...give em sumtimes...when umno ready to jog...n run..then...umno n najib..will sprint..belived me my bro kt....we ll be bck.... tegur x cukup bro..sampai bila org melayu nak tegur shj ? mana proposed solution ? where our numbers ? show me 1 st....

• Suara Iban Semenanjung:
•  my stand is very clear...good to know that u realize hahahahaa... Kapak Tajam :
• Insyaallah we will tapi Pak Lah tinggal an ugly battle ground.... screw him ang his beruk!!!!!!! Tun Maharezza II u ingat siapa u nak tegur ? have u a pm be 4 ? have u being in situation too decide for a nation ? any wrong moves can cause many bad things...it aint easy.... Tun Maharezza II:
•  n najib have to do it...with wounded umno..still nder recovery umno...najib diesnt have a fully fit able man to compete or in full force yet...  many damage has benn repaired n restore in better standards n kualiti..u ll watch...  Its not numbers Tun... we are asking our pemimpin where are we going?... what do we tell the rakyat how to equip themselves......... the numbers already provided by him tapi on the ground rakyat tak faham....... Tun Maharezza II:
•  we tell hi where to go.we show him where to go..najib ahs benn asking that loud n clear....  its not the way fwd bro....its the forward way....!!!  its not the malay dilemma no more bro...its the dilemma mly...!!! n its not renaissance bro..its abt transforation... Kapak Tajam :
• I am not saying he is on the wrong track but what does the rakyat wants??????.... and Najib is not aware of that... we didnt win sarawak becos najib.... its Taib who did it.... the pribumi trust him more...... mana ada org sarawak boleh terima orang malaya fullheartedly.... maaf Iban kalau saya salah. Bentara Sebat II:
•  DEB IS A HANDICAP, WHETHER WE LIKE THE WORD OR NOT... WE WERE GIVEN THE 'PRIVILEGE' TO START THE RACE 30 METERS AHEAD OF OTHER RACES BECAUSE THE MALAYS ARE NOT READY FOR AN OPENED COMPETITION... Singh Is Kinng :
• Najib took over as a captain while the ship was sinking ... and my bet during those days ... the ship went capsizing withing 100 days ... but it turned out to be the other way around ... Kapak Tajam:
•  True... but transform to what???.... with what?.... whats the vision? Tun Maharezza II :
• its in simple word....we r in at new civilasation...every angle of it..all we goota do..is....besides nagging n complains..we should try to adapt ourself 1 st.....fight in a comfortable situastion...dont fight in a mud...u ll loose not because of u not good,...u loose because of the muds ! come with me on this bro.....come with me..i luv to justify najib administration...i like this topic..i m enjoying it...thanxz..
• Suara Iban Semenanjung:

• bro KT... memandangkan still beria nak tegur najib meh aku jawab la.. penat gak aku nengok... camni la.. najib ni dia akur sikit kat cina sebab dia bijak.. aku pun kalau cam dia akur juga tapi bukan 100%.. dah nama jadi pemimpin pelbagai ka...um.. kena la akur sedikit kepada sensitiviti atau permintaan semua kaum di Malaysia.. kami org Iban yg xde ape2 pun masih sayangkan najib.. personally aku rasa najib better than anyone in malaysia cabinet yg ada skang.. tegur tu bole tapi dgn penyelesaian yg tidak memudaratkan atau menyinggung mana2 kaum.. kau nak dia lebihkan melayu, abis kami iban yg mati2 sokong dia camne pulak?? bersyukur kita ada najib yg xnaik kan minyak sampai rm1.. banyak lagi la alasan yg kukuh utk kita sokong dia.. yg lain tu kalau ditulis aku takut sentimen akan menyinggung kaum2 lain.. cuba jadi aku sekejap.. jadi org iban.. kau tau perasaan aku... mari duduk bersama dan aku cerita..

• Tun Maharezza II:
•  u cant just became the pm..n set evrything expect ppl to follow u..let me tell u dear my bro kt...in poltiks..n business..u nedd to see n study the flwoing 1 st.be 4 u attempt to set anything for them... Singh Is Kinng:
•  If NEP does mean awarding contracts to Malays who are politically connected ... then I don't agree ... but to prepare the Malays to become more competitive ... that's the way it should be ... and the preparations come in many form ... one of them ... EDUCATION!!! Tun Maharezza II :
• look at etp etc..all was studied..n the flows was seen unstable..n najib govt created.etp etc...so tahat ppl can adapt 1 st n lived with it...but what the pppl do is nagging..without even try to adapt to it..they complain..n how would they know..if they themselves not in it ? Kapak Tajam:
•  Iban...... saya setuju dgn Iban cuma banyak yg dalam Najib yg harus ditegur..... kalau tiada yg tegur macam mana dia nak tahu betul atau tidak cara dia...... saya pun dari keluarga susah, saya faham cuma kita jadi keliru..... kita defend dia bagai nak gila kat PFB untuk apa??????.... bukan kerana kita sokong dia ka tapi dia ada kelemahan..... TDM lain, he is a complete leader. Tun Maharezza II:
•  too many example to prove my say...plus highway..klcc....png bridge.etcla.depa komplain mula tu..but u know..u saw it...n u luv tun m till today... Kapak Tajam :
• Tun... try to post a question here in TMX council what is their role to achieve ETP.......... you judge by yrself. Kapak Tajam kita nampak benefit projek TDM even sebelum dia buat tapi ETP kita masih kabur..... apa dia jalan penyudahnya? Kapak Tajam:
•  Bentara... i agree with you... kita race dari 1957 sampailah 1969... semua melayu miskin papa kedana... thats an open race!!!!!!!!! Singh Is Kinng :
• Siap kena halau ngan penyapu ... tak layak nak race ... HU HU HU Suara Iban Semenanjun:
• g bro KT.. aku dah keliru ni. bunyi mcam org PR dah ni.. hahahaha Kapak Tajam :
• SIK racist....... Kapak Tajam:
•  Tun... we delete this posting boleh? Tun Maharezza II

•   if u understands etp..it abt the change of manoueverity paten in the economic structure n behaving paten..sum how or rather..to achieved best results..sumthing gotta be sacrifice..sum norm that plague the economics need to be get rid off......n the incoming new economics structure n behaving paten must be compatible with each other...the incoming n the outgoing element need to be stbilise...THIS IS WHERE THE rAKYAT CAME IN...remember ! the rakyat drove the economics..because he rakyat is the purchasing power n the agent of cash flowing...if u can stabilise it better....the more better rakyat will get....

•   Tun Maharezza II:
•  go ahed kt., spot anything u like..tmx is safe...my respnsibility...u not to worry while with tmx...  nope kt..cant delete this posting..tunmhani will documented it..
  Kapak Tajam:
•  Tun.... ETP's transformation plan require time.... what is the short term plan for malay economic survival?...... what i am saying is tak awal sangat ker scrapp DEB? Tun Maharezza II :
• during tdm era....nama etp x ada la..but tdm apply the same school of thot..on this unique economis issues...n he did it...its proepered..so therfore..lets us gave najib the same room he as tdm had.... Kapak Tajam :
• Globally economy are yet to turn around and here we are trying to fund ETP... Dubai started 15years ago..... thats a different case.... dia ada lead time... ETP is similar to Dubai as financial hub. Tun Maharezza II:
•  kt..like i ve said..deb was seen scarp.but the deb still intact with us bro..open ur eyes..bro... Kapak Tajam :
• While buat ETP teruskan DEB..... kenapa nak takut ditentang?.... peduli aper ngan bangsa lain.... last last pribumi jugak yg sokong gomen. Suara Iban Semenanjung:
•  DEB ada mention org iban secara detail x.. kalau ada aku nak baca Kapak Tajam :
• Iban... DEB lah yg jaga pribumi....... Kapak Tajam:
•  I know Tun tapi kilang keluar product DEB dah tutup...... Tun Maharezza II

• the global economic wont turn arround kt..wake up man..a stable economics is bad for the zionist....they r the one who destabilise the global economics..it was created..it vwas natural economic down turn......n y they created it ? they created it because they want to have control over it n minimise it damage....they dont like natural economis issues..hard to solve..therefore..they created it...so that they can have full control of it....

•   how do u translate..this analogy....'' the fuel price hike , its gong to cause danmage to global economics...but the oil player..said..its a good business..we want more of this...we made more money n the oil palyer is the country owned "" n yet kt..the ironic is......they want more..but they have no solution for oil price hike domino effects..u got me kt ?
  Kapak Tajam:
•  Tun... remember that day Joe was saying kita dah bagi 70% kat depa and depa nak lagi some part of the 30%..... tinggal apa dgn Melayu?.... kalau which one comes first, Malay or Malaysian.... i say Malaysian dulu sebab diorang kena embrace Constitution dulu baru boleh mengaku Malaysian!!!!!!!!!!...... Malay kalau tak embrace Constitution pun tak guna jugak.. Suara Iban Semenanjung:
•  oh bagus ni.. rugi aku tak baca. tapi org macam aku ni kena dpt task yg lagi penting kalau pasal benda camni... aku kena pikir macam mane nak terangkan kat org iban yg duk rumah pjg ape itu DEB.. pening la aku...siap alih bahasakan.. mau seminggu aku xtido kalau buku tu ada kat aku. kalau aku xbuat kesian pulak dorg xtau.. mati mati. hahahaha Kapak Tajam Got u Tun but oil price ni ada complicated la sikit sebab US oil reserved is more than anyone of us can imagine.... dia hike pun barua PAS bukan nak faham pun the oil crisis fundemental. Tun Maharezza II:
•  so far abt deb..i ok with it..it wasnt hidden deep.its actually we can still see kt.... my concern is more the approach...n the budaya poltik negara...  the negaif side..we all can see so far....70 in opposition propaganda..n 30 % in erality...in short..the 70 % success of such policy..does materialise..if not..we wont have that '' the malay middle class ppl is growing ".... Suara Iban Semenanjung:
•  bro KT.. apa kata kita defend najib tu mcm kita defend diri sendiri.. mane la tau esok tun ke, aku ke, ko ke jadi PM.tak pun singh ni ke.... hahaha org lain plak defend Kapak Tajam:
•  we need the 70 to move the 30 and vice versa..... i agree with u..... economy solidarity........ aku akan tetap defend najib walaupun kes kak Mah tak pakai tudung.... tapi mak bapak kita marah kita bukan benci tapi nak bagi kita elokkkkk.... nak bagi semuaaaaa elok Iban...... Tun Maharezza II:
•  yeah kt..we need that...  iban..i dont defen najib..i defended no one infact....i give penerengan on the isu shj.....do not misjudge me...  u cant find explaination like this in da market....its not theory..its a journal...economic journal...n poltical journal..a combination.. do not forget...we paractice..capitalism !!!  n we r facist....u cant change that... Kapak Tajam: boss... done... read thru and i will delete if u dont like it Tun Maharezza II: i lke..dont delete..pls save to tmx document bro.. 10 hours ago · LikeUnlike Suara Iban Semenanjung :
• aku defend pemimpin.. tu dah tugas aku sebagai org iban.. aku xnk dia defend diri sendiri nanti sibuk defend keje xleh jalan.. mcm bro KT ni tadi nak tegur.. aku tolong jawab sket2.. ni baru bro KT yg 100% UMNO.. blom lagi org PR.. so aku defend takat mana boleh.. sebab aku sayang negara aku... Tun Maharezza II :
• defen policy dasar lagi bagus bro...klu pemimpin tu bwk dasar yg bagus..x salah kita defen dia.. Suara Iban Semenanjung:
•  btol aku defend najib sebab yg aku tgk dia bagus... tgk la ponik ni.. ada 1 perkara bagus pasal ponik ke? cube cite... bagi aku dia ni barua yg menyebabkan dasar kerajaan susah nak jalan... pastu salahkan kerajaan xjalankan ape2...